One reader left the same comment twice asking me to weigh in on whether I think the market has bottomed. No I don't. That being said trying to guess about the next 25 SPX points is just that, guessing. Minimizing the times you have to guess is probably a good idea. I have felt all year that the market would be down a little. I was lucky enough to catch the upmove and I have been reasonably transparent with the defensive steps I have taken over the last three months.
My 2006 prediction is the SPX finishes between 1180 and 1219 (the void on the BusinessWeek survey). This expectation would not motivate me to completely bail out of equities. I may take further defensive action but I hope it won't be necessary to get extremely defensive. And to make one last point, I hope I am wrong and the market sky rockets from here. I would be thrilled to lag a 20% move up.
I would also stress that I do not have much interest in trying to game such things as this. I have not demonstrated a real proficiency (have I?) for picking this sort of thing.
Tom in Indy weighed in that he is more interested in the Tour de
Someone asked my thoughts on Macquarie Infrastructure. I started liking it shortly after it came out (about a year ago). I bought it personally and for clients (and still own it) and have been buying it for new clients. In the time I have owned it went up a lot and corrected back down. I have faith in the concept behind the product and Macquarie's ability to run these funds, they manage about a dozen (I believe that is the number) of these around the world.
There were some great comments left by OG, Londoner and others about benchmark selection and the idea of staying close to the market.
This is mostly old ground. Simple is a theme of what I try to write. Simple has drawbacks just like complicated has drawbacks. Proper diversification is more important. I believe in stocks, fixed income, cash, real estate (REITs included), commodities (the usual suspects and timber) and so on. I tend to think that averaging 10%, about what the S&P 500 averages, per year for people that save properly will do the trick for reaching financial goals. A way to look at this is what can you do to be close to 10% either way without having to be very right about a lot of things while hopefully giving yourself as smooth of a ride as you can.
A total market index would work as a benchmark, as would the MSCI Global Index. I do believe in benchmarking for knowing where you stand but I am not a slave to portfolio construction that is very close to the index.
One comment asked if the market is down 20% and you are only down 16% should you feel good about that. That situation did not seem ideal to the person leaving the comment. Since 1974 the S&P 500 has been 20% or more for two different years; 1974 and 2002. Obviously there have been other 20% declines during the course of given years but to make the point, in the reader's scenario the markets average annual return includes the years of down 20%. Beating the market by four percentage points in those two years adds 8 percentage points of return in you life time. More actually if you take the time to figure the compounding.
So while I agree with the reader that down 16% is far from ideal it is not the worst thing that can happen to you either. I would classify down 20% as down a lot and I am attempting to do better than a 4% spread in that situation but I may be unsuccessful. All anyone can do is have an exit strategy devised and then be disciplined enough to stick to it. If what you devise works 25% of the time you will come out way ahead of the market in your lifetime even if you are wildly mediocre the other 90% of the time.
Another comment was about time horizon in the context of just staying close to the market. Can a retired person who does not have time on his side afford to do this. Doesn't the retired person have to have less volatility is how I take the question.
I'll set aside personal tolerance for volatility as a planning issue for this and just focus on the numbers and how they usually work. If you are 60 years old (retired or not), healthy, with 95 year old living parents what is your time horizon? Jump ahead for this person ten years. They are 70, Dad died at 99 and Mom died at 103. My limited knowledge of actuarials says the person needs to plan on at least living until 105 (the average of Mom and Dad's age at death plus 4). At 70 this person has to think about their money lasting for 35 years. This will happen more and more and the more likely risk is running out of money due to being too conservative.
Properly diversified for your situation, always, but too conservative could be a catastrophic problem.
Sorry this was so long.





13 comments:
Re personal tolerance for volatility. Roger. We can't know everything but I would still be interested in knowing the impact of a few major down years vs a smoothe ride when each have the same "average" annual return. My take on your previous reply is that you believe it is mistake to try too hard for the smoothe ride since this would entail being too conservative which, in turn, would produce a limited annual return. In the process of trying to conserve prinicipal retirees would then be at risk to not grow their money and virtually run out of funds, as folks are living longer. But even if I'm reading you correctly, to the best of your knowledge what is the impact of a down yr..as asked above. Please forgive my obsessive nature. I am tring to take in your position.
I am much more tolerant of volatility when the market trend is up versus when the trend is down. That is until the short etf's came out. Using all the tools that are available and keeping an open mind has helped my tolerance a lot. For instance, when I feel the Fed tightening cycle is done, I am sure I will become much more tolerant for bonds then I am now. Tom in Indy
Great article. Thanks.
Why is it that everybody wants the market to hit a 20% low.
This is not a crash!
This is the beginning of the third wave of a bear market that started in 2000.
Now, 2000 is a big reference for contemporary markets.
Why that?
Because it is the first time in market history that an amplitude in the cycle of stock prices has been so important.
2000 is THE reference from now on!
So, the best thing you can do is to go to stockcharts.com and get a weekly picture of the S&P500 ($SPX)
(http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui
Periods:weekly
Range: Select start-end
Start: november 1999
End:December 2000
Type:HLC bars)
Now, look at the picture.
Where we are now is about the end of may in 2000.
(You can check the Periods:Daily to have a finer view).
Careful though!
Cycles are not the same in 2000 than they are today; the thing should go down a bit lower than the previous low.
Not much (I hope); and then turn back up for the next three months (with a little retracement on the down side in between).
Like usual long, steady, stupid market move.
This is not a crash!
This is just a turning point.
The big long slide is for the next southward move in three months or so from now.
Then these new short ETF's will be manna from heaven.
Now, sit tight; strawberry in your .... yes! and wait.
And if you have some cash on the side, put it back to work whenever the market shows a 2% up swing.
Roger has the right picture.
Be cool like him!
Investor's worst enemy is greed (nope! - euh, yes!) AND AND AND restlessness. Oh boy, that is for sure!
As far as benchmarks are concerned, I believe you should use something investable, not an index. Then there is allowance for dividends (which are a pain to track for an index) and expenses. So something like VFINX would be a good benchmark. Or a good global fund, if you wanted a global benchmark.
Personally, I use FMAGX. It is not what it once was, but I've used it for a long time and hesitate to change. The index funds would be a better choice today, I think.
I did a search on the impact of volatility to investment returns, particularly as it affects retirees.
Two links. First article is a
straightforward "yes" with hypothetical portfolios
The second one turns to Modern Portfolio Theory as one way to address the issue. I included an excerpt that I found has what may be profound practical implications.
(I think the links work if you copy and paste even if the links can't be seen in their entirety. I am not sure the audience of this blog is as interested in this as I am, but I find this process helpful as it spurs me to find some resolution. I do not mean to argue with our gracious, truly, host. It's mostly myself with whom I argue. The Monte Carlo simulations "sound" sophisticated but such approaches can become more theoretical than practical, and more complicated at the expense of common sense. Roger, I am interested in your opinion. It's a big subject. I agree with another reader that it is not appropriate to try to pin you down.)
http://www.toalfinancial.com/volatility.php
http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/2005/1105/perspectives/p10.htm
Some planners use nine distinct global equity asset classes, each with high expected returns at tolerable risk levels and relatively low correlation to the others. (As Roger seems to often refer as a guiding principle)
Withdrawal Strategy: Preserve Volatile Assets in Down Markets
A rational withdrawal strategy recognizes that equities are volatile and short-term bonds are not. Therefore, a sound strategy is one designed to protect volatile assets during down-market conditions to avoid consuming excessive equity capital.
Most financial advisors have been content to treat retirement assets as a single portfolio with a targeted allocation, say of 60% stocks and 40% bonds. This conception of a portfolio, however, would lead to withdrawals on a pro rata basis from both equity and fixed assets, regardless of market experience, and does nothing to protect volatile assets during down markets.
A far superior strategy would treat the equity and bond portfolios separately, then follow a rule for withdrawals that protects equity capital during down markets by liquidating only bonds during bad years. During good years, withdrawals are funded by sales of equity shares, and any excess accumulation is used to rebalance the portfolio back to the desired asset allocation. Again, using spreadsheet models with Monte Carlo simulations, this simple rule can be shown to result in substantial incremental improvement in overall results.
Roger,
This market did great for a few months this year and then down the tubes. I do NOT believe anyone that tells me they made money in the market this year. It would be like saying you won at the slots. I agree if your down 15% for the year, your in the same water as everyone else. I hope your not claiming to have made money in this bad market {market down almost 1,000 points in last 90 days or so with Foreign down more}?? Here's the questions: IF your in the market for 5 to 10 more years and your moneys in respected Mutual Funds and spread out, should you care about a 15% down or 15% up period? Should you even look more then once in a while? I would think that someone's tolerence should be more then checking on a weekly or monthly basis on their funds????
WWW.RiskMetrics.com
___________________
- maybe, using the "What-If" choices, and the "Stress-Test" , one can get a good feel for what might happen under various scenarios.
One can plug-in a few Ultra-Short ETFs and see whether it is possible to still make money should the market take a 30% nosedive :-O
If, i got the drift . . . Bill Cara thought it was not impossible for the Dow 30 Index to go to 8800 in the time-frame October 2006 to March 2007
&, IF i recall, a few years back, Richard Russell may have fantasized an extreme case where it was not unthinkable that the Dow could hit 6000 before this Bear Market ends?
AnyWayz . . . after a bit of Hum-Ho What-Iffing, what's so bad about loading up on a few MZZ &/or QID ETFs
It takes much less time to MAKE good-money on the down-side?
have a nice day
______________
But, WHY are we, sometimes, so Mentally-Constipated??
_____________________________
If, we have a Portfolio with 20 positions, is it hard to note them down
. . . No?
SO
___
IF we think the market is going down 20% between October 2006 & March 2007
THEN
____
. . . why am I so dumb?
Just
_____
Dump the Long Positions and take a DIVERSIFIED Portfolio, Short, S+P 500 Ultra-Short "SDS" {if i recall OK ( which aint necessarily so)}
Then
____
after the Bear Market has 'Dumped its Load', we do still have archived that Magic Archive old-toffee-paper with our old Long 20 positions for review.
Conclusion
___________
So, why . . . all our 'Aaaach' + 'Ooooch' ?
.................
IF, we think the next period is DOWN . . . WHY, are we NOT 100% Short thru Ultra-Short ETFs??
Either we BELIEVE, or, . . . we do NOT believe??
......................
Shorting is 'Un-American'
________________________
Nuts! . . . Wrong! . . . It is SHORT-COVERING that supports the market in an abrupt decline. - No-one else is willing to catch falling refrigerators + spinning knives? . . . the Covering-Shorts are profitably-willing + profitably-able!
have a nice day
_______________
I'm kind of new to the blog. Looks like it's going down hill on this message thread. Is there an adult in the room? I'm here to learn. That's as much as I'm going to boast.
Roger,
One difference in the retiree's problem is that despite the number of years they have to recover a market loss - they lack the income from wages (inflation adjusted at that) to fund a recovery program.
This would seem to suggest that a retiree should be more cautious in investing.
No one has any trouble with up-a-lot, up-a-little, or down-a-little.
But down-a-lot - (which seems to be a concensus 20%)is the problem.
The only way to avoid it, as I see it,- is simply by market timing.
A couple of weeks ago, my benchmark said - "Hey stupid' that wimpy little 50 - 50 balanced fund is starting to eat your shorts. better wake up!"
Sure enough, the prices of almost all bonds were starting to creep up on increasing volume. My guess is that the big money is starting to bleed out of equities and into notes/bonds.
I am using bonds and double short ETF's to try to limit my portfolio to down-a-little, if the Fed pauses, the doorway is going to get really crowded.
OG
OG. I listen to CNBC more than I should. Too much noise, I wonder. Maria B made an opinion about the Fed and I have NEVER heard her offer an opinion. The fed will pause. Are you referring to the buzz that hx shows "nightmarish" scenarios after a pause?
Anon
I don't watch CNBC, I find it too confusing in that they say one thing, and 10 minutes later they say the opposite.
In 6 of the last 7 (front door) yield curve inversions, like we have now, a recession followed. In the seventh, there were special conditions (1966 Viet Nam War).
I'm certain the Fed sees the same, but they are boxed in by the upcoming election. They would hate to see a Sep-Oct sharp downturn, but a Nov would be OK. Hence, an August pause is possible. Triggering a shift to Bonds as rates seem to peak.
An August increase would really push up the inversion, cinching a recession in many investors opinion, scaring them out of the market.
So if half the people sell on a pause, and the other half sells on an increase, we have a peoblem.
To me it is more of a dilemma than a nightmare, but I've taken to the sidelines.
"The battle is not always to the strong, or the race to the swift; but that is the way to bet."
OG
Post a Comment