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Tuesday, December 04, 2007

Catching Up

As I mentioned over the weekend I went to the Super Bowl of Indexing in Scottsdale yesterday. It was a long day and so as I catch up here and there (I did a 6am interview today which didn't help) if you left a question yesterday I probably won't get to it on that post so you should feel free to re-post it on today's post.

I'll share a couple of observations now and go into a little more detail on the brainier stuff in this weekend's video.

As far as new products that might be coming, I did not get a great feel for the products that might be coming. I asked several people about frontier market products and without saying it exactly it seemed like there are concerns being able to trade enough shares to accommodate potential demand. There were a couple of anecdotes about how thin and small a couple of these markets are.

I spoke to the StateStreet people about more choice in foreign fixed income and I think I got a "I hear you but..." type of answer.

I asked a question in the session that included currency ETFs to Steven Sachs, actually it was more of a request for more product like maybe the Sing dollar. His answer surprised me, he said he'd like to have a product for every currency. There are quantity limitations with many currencies so a product for every currency will never happen but that he was public about wanting to see more is a change from last year and encouraging.

I had a chance to visit with Tom Lydon and Richard Kang for a while. Both of them are on their way to being masters of the universe as I strive to be master of the couch. Both of them are doing a lot of interesting things that I think we will hear more about shortly.

At lunch there were a bunch of awards given out. Paul Samuelson, the guy who wrote your econ 101 textbook, got a life time achievement award and gave a little presentation via satellite that was pretty entertaining. In case your wondering, he's 92.

Jack Bogle was there in person to get his lifetime achievement award but he only spoke for about 90 seconds.

The CBOE S&P Put Write index won the award for most innovative new index (or words to that effect) so maybe it will be coming to an ETN near us soon.

One other point to share now is that in terms of products listed elsewhere someday trading here, this came up in another session. This is important to me as there are some very interesting products on other markets. For this to happen the industry would need to figure out how to "change the wrapper." For example there is an ETF that trades in Norway that tracks the OBX. If you wanted that exposure and there was only one way to get it and that one way was something other than an ETF, would you still buy it (again assuming you want the exposure)?

One funny item. I met one very well known person (well known within the industry), I reached out my hand and said my name and that I write for TheStreet.com (the person introducing us mentioned my blog) assuming that he'd never read any of my stuff (which he hadn't) and he said "Huh, I hear from a lot of other people from there." That was it. Lol, um nice to meet you too?

16 comments:

T said...

After exposure to other financial blogs where the author is self-serving and the blog overloaded with data that amounts to nothing but mind clutter, I browse your posting today and say to myself, "Roger must be a nice guy".
You keep us informed on many levels.

Anonymous said...

Wow, this must have been pretty brainy, even heady, stuff. Thanks so much for the summary!

Roger Nusbaum said...

the nature of the complex topics was along the lines of the Serrapere article in terms of what seems to be the priority.

this was not an ETF conference it was an indexing conference in which ETFs play some role.

jimidean said...

-this was not an ETF conference it was an indexing conference in which ETFs play some role.-

To update a familar phrase "If an index is created but doesn't soon become an ETF, Does it still make a sound?

Roger Nusbaum said...

lol

think more like a pool of capital will index a portion of its assets. how will it access that index? futures more often than not apparently for things like pension funds.

steve.scoot said...

Thanks for info, Roger. After reading the link you
sent earlier this week, are you feeling any warmer
toward bond funds?

Also, DBU and JXI are international utility index ETFs
that are nearly doubling the US utility ETFs YTD and
paying good dividends. The fact that they are mainly
Euro denominated investments also helps. Anyone
have any opinions on intl. utilities as bear hedges?

Also, here is a link from MSN money which describes the inverse ETF strategy pretty similarly to the way that Roger has in the past.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/MutualFunds/UseETFsToHedgeYourBets.aspx

Cheers,

Scoot

Roger Nusbaum said...

JXI is a holding for a lot of clients.

as far as bond funds (or do you mean bonds in general?) until things get normal, both the slope of the entire curve and yields going up to something that approaches normal, i am not in a big hurry.

the thing is patience. i don't know when things will get normal but i will wait until they do by hiding out in short duration paper.

Roger Nusbaum said...

just read the Middleton piece. Interesting. I know that he has read me in the past (don't know if he still does). Seems very similar to what I started talking about a year and a half ago.

thanks Scoot.

Leisa said...

I ordered and received the following book: More Than You Know: Finding Financial Wisdom in Unconventional Places by Michael Mauboussin

I forget now where I saw it, but I think that I posted somewhere that I found it intriguing. Also, that the title and purpose of the book reminded me of E. O. Wilson's Consilience. I was surprised and amused to see that there was a page with an E. O. Wilson quote.

Such a world! Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading this book. And would be interested if any of you have read it.

JackS said...

Leisa.
I haven't read it, but here's 44 people that have:

http://tinyurl.com/yoq5n6

Marlowe said...

What was the general market sentiment at the conference? I just wrote a blog titled "Investor Sentiment - A Prospective to Ponder, When Bearish is Bullish" at www.rocketscienceinvesting.blogger.com that explores several sentiment measures. Your thoughts?

Leisa said...

Jack S--Thanks for this. I bought this from Amazon (from one of their used book sellers).

I never buy a book without reading the reviews. There have been a few times that I changed my mind about buying a book when there were a collection of curmudgeonly reviews.

I was curious, though, if this bunch had read it.

Anonymous said...

Arguments suggesting the pegging of the Canadian $ at a fixed rate to the US$ are getting some exposure in the Canadian press; here is an exmaple:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/071205/business/carney_economy
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Richard Kang said...

Hi Roger: Good seeing you at the conference.

"Master of the universe"?! That's too much. Thanks for the kind words but maybe I'm still a kid at heart ... when I read your post why do I think of the cartoon character "He-Man"?

Roger Nusbaum said...

lol, maybe it is my frequent use of pictures of Skeletor.

please stay in touch.

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