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Sunday, April 13, 2008

Sunday Morning Coffee

Last week I made my 2008 HSA contribution and I thought it might be useful to write about the relevance of saving versus performance.

In most posts about planning or long term results I try to throw in that saving is probably more important than results and the HSA might be a good example of this.

HSA stands for health savings account and if you are unfamiliar you can read about it here.

2008 is the third year I have funded it. For 2006 I believe I put in $2500 and $5000 each for 2007 and 2008 for a total of $12,500. I have this money invested very conservatively in an account at Options Express--in my view an HSA, compared to other types of IRAs has the most visibility for being tapped in an emergency so I do not want this account exposed to normal stock market volatility.

I won't disclose the current value so as not to violate rules about stating performance but the goal is along the lines of bases on balls (using the baseball analogy of singles and doubles versus home runs).

Using the value of the contributions as a dollar benchmark it is clear that the $5000 every year will be the more important thing for many years to come than whether I get a 5% or 10% return on the money. After my 2012 contribution, assuming zero growth, the account will be worth $32,500. If I somehow made 5% in 2012 after the contribution that would be $1625 which would be a small fraction of the $5000 I would contribute in 2013.

The way I view things the act of saving will be far more important than the return I get on the money for many years to come. That being said I am obviously going for better than zero and have disclosed owning a couple of absolute return products in past posts (the names are not relevant to this post) that hopefully will do very little month to month but that every so often I'll notice that hey they're doing ok.

In certain IRA and 401k plans that allow for larger contributions there is a similar effect of savings being more important for a while than returns. To be clear a normal IRA or 401k it is appropriate for normal stock market exposure relative to your target allocation and clearly returns matter but if you $10,000 a year into a 401K I would submit that going from zero to $100k in the first ten years will be the big thing. At some point, whether it is less than ten years or not, the returns become the more important piece but giving up on savings at the point would be a bad decision.

A 50 year old with $400,000 in his 401k planning to work ten more years can add another $100,000 ($10k per year) which is meaningful amount of money compared to the $400k (I have been a SEP person for a while and while I believe the 401k max is more than $10k I do not know the figure) but probably not as meaningful when compared to averaging 10% per year on the $400k if he should be so lucky.

The picture is from New Zealand.

I am coming back from San Francisco this morning and published this via Blogger's new time bomb publishing and won't be able to respond to comments until late this afternoon.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

1. How did you find/get your insurance policy?
2. what has been the rate of increase in your policy from year to year?
3. What is the rough cost of the policy?
4. If you have other money why would you tap the HSA if god forbids you or your wife were hospitalized? Wouldn't it make more sense to tap other resources and go for growth in the tax protected HSA?

I do not mean to pry to much but my wife may loose her job this year and I will need to get health insurance. This is the area of most concern for me as a small business (one man) owner.

Anonymous said...

Good post.
B

Born2Code said...

@ 7:48

I have had an MSA since the initial legislation went through in the late 90s and then switched it to an HSA as the law changed few years ago.
As a small business owner with two small kids I can tell you that
1) you will not get a good insurance policy. I've done my homework ten times over. Blue Cross is horrible if you are not part of a group benefit. I use Humana because they are the least worse. Because of the high deductible associated with the HSA they never paid a penny in benefits as my deductible was never met.
None the less they keep treating me like the enemy and send most claims to committees for approval. Still this is much better than how BCBS treated us.

2) you can count on at least 5-10% increase year in and year out.

3) I have a $10,000 deductible and pay few hundred/month for an 80/20 that does not kick in till after the deductible and is full of restrictions. This is the cheapest policy I could find.

4) yes, i pay most of my needs with other money. But i also travel overseas most years to do medical work... LASIK/Dental/checkups/... the savings on the health care more than pays for the trip.

My advice to you is to have your wife get COBRA and hold on to it for the longest possible time. at least with COBRA you get the group coverage. Make sure to treat/handle any pre-existing conditions before the COBRA lapses.

The Law does NOT require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions if you do not have group coverage. As a result none of them do.
Once you switch from group coverage to individual coverage you go from a second class citizen to a 10th class citizen and they take full advantage.

Anonymous said...

"...saving is probably more important than results..."

I would add to that, "learning to live with less", i.e. thinking deeply about what is a 'want' and what is a 'need'. If more people would do this, I think they would find they really don't "need" their current portfolio to return 15% a year.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 7:48 --
Echoing born2code's advice:
Right on re: COBRA to get the advantage of group numbers. (My corporate rate, $80/month, equated to $150/month as individual COBRA, 1997 $);
Before COBRA term end I used independent Med.agent to search for policies. Best result features & costs was BCBS (NC) at $350/month, AND as born2code advised there was a 2-yr pre-existing condition restriction (applicable with any policy). Of late here are my health premium costs/month: 2005 $412; 2006 $507; 2007 $607; 2008 $749 proposed by BCBS, revised to $554 when I increased my major medical deduction. This was sensible risk tradeoff for me; accordingly I am allocating savings to self-insure possible (inevitable?) major event. (Note: because of illness I have pharma which fortunately is more generics over time, i.e., drug copays at $3106 in 2004 are now $1670 in 2007.) Additional out-of-pocket/yr: $1k now vs. $1.5 - $2.5k previously when med. condition not stable.) My experience is typical, per BLS stats for state of NC. The price jump in 2005 occurred at 5th yr; I expect same type jump in 2010, as my age-disease cohort portend increased liability to the insurer.
Hope this info is helpful.
B

Anonymous said...

Roger:
I was checking annuities, out of curiosity, and found they payout about 6% per year. My question: If an annuity from Fidelity will pay about 6%, and a portfolio can only return 6%, with volatility, why not convert all or most of your holdings( assuming you want 4% guaranteed to live on)to an annuity instead of accepting market risk, going into the next five to ten years?

Sam

Anonymous said...

Born2code,

where do you go abroad?

Is there any way to get a group policy?

What the heck are small businesses doing?

Stephen Drone said...

I'm always interested in new/different investing strategis. So I run across something today that I don't even know how to start checking out.

I read this which contains this:

"Few investors realize how well Treasurys have performed since their prices bottomed in October 1981. An investment of $100 in a 25-year zero coupon Treasury back then, rolled over annually to maintain the 25-year maturity, was worth $11,263 in October 2007. In contrast, $100 invested in the S&P 500 in July 1982 at the stock market's bottom, with reinvested dividend, was worth $2,821 last October."

Is this valid? It's not immediately obvious where to purchase zero coupon Treasuries (via broker, I assume) nor how to "roll them over each year."

JackS said...

Roger.
Were you recently interviewed on CNBC World? You got a mention here on page 1:

http://tinyurl.com/3zeoar

Roger Nusbaum said...

lol, they called me tonight in the 3rd inning of Sox Yanks to see if I was available.

my wife is convinced i am the only person who watches, ha!

thank you for adding that comment on the thread.

rackgen said...

Nice article, roger. My insurance plan is like this - pay a fixed sum each quarter for 10 years and 11 years later I start getting benefits. Hopefully that shouldn't change.

A good link on asset allocation & practical financial advice is http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/

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