Wikinvest Wire

Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Around Europe

Things are still going poorly in Iceland. According to Bloomberg the ICEX 15 Index reopened on Tuesday after a three day trading halt. The result was a one day 77% drop. Of course YTD the ICEX was down a little over 50% coming into the Tuesday. I've read conflicting reports about whether there are or are not food shortages, this from Dealbreaker yesterday says the shortages are for real. The krona is trading at about 109 to the dollar. When Joellyn and I went there two years ago the rate was in the low 60s.

The drop is skewed some because of the disproportionate weighting the financials had. Kaupthing alone was in the mid 30s. It looks as though Kaupthing, Landsbanki and Glitnir never traded (they all were nationalized one way or another) and so appear to just be gone from the index. The fishery index, made up of Alfesca and Vinnslustoein (that last one some letters and punctuation I don't have on my keyboard) did a little better, down 17% and no trades respectively.

The comeback for Iceland will have to involve the fishing industry and whatever companies build build production plants--I still hold on to the idea that certain types of manufacturing and data storage will migrate there to capitalize on the geothermal.

I also found this from a site called A Fistful Of Euros (the best name for a blog I've ever heard) noting that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania may be on a similar path as Iceland. I've blogged about Latvia's problems a couple of times before but don't know much about the other two.

The reason to revisit these places now while they are in various stages of duress is to talk about country selection. Iceland, Lithuania and Latvia are deficit countries (Estonia; current account yes, budget no). The Fistful article also says Hungary (another deficit country) is in trouble too. Although not mentioned in either article above I read in the FT that the Ukraine (yet another deficit country) is having problems as well.

I been on a jag for a while about needing to seek out new investment destinations in order to have a better chance of getting whatever average annual number your plan calls for. Despite the difficulties that many deficit countries are having they are not all forever bad investments. This is a rough time for many of them due to the nature of how the economic cycle is ending. A new cycle will begin and most of them will come back just fine eventually.

This is not to say that surplus countries are not down during this but as an example in the last month the WisdomTree Middle East Dividend Fund (GULF) and the Market Vectors Gulf States Fund (MES) are only down 5% versus 15% for the S&P 500. Norway is down more than the S&P 500 in the last month.

If you envision going more foreign and doing so country by country I think the current episode underscores the need to own different types of countries. Deficit and surplus, service and commodity, emerging and developed, centers of the universe and in their own worlds all need to be represented to maintain a diversified portfolio. Obviously a country can serve as multiple proxies just like a stock can.

Some sort of defensive plan is also still important either on a portfolio level or country level.

On a related note IndexUniverse reported last week that iShares filed for a Peru fund. I don't know when it will list and chances are it won't be that popular but as more of these products list and if the need to have more foreign does head where I think it will then a lot of these funds will become portfolio savers--if the providers can hang in there long enough with them.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

If you haven't read them already, there are some unusually straight-forward, helpful comments from Hussman on Seeking Alpha today. I think he's been reading you, Roger!

Roger Nusbaum said...

i think we can rest assured he doesn;t visit us too often.

Anonymous said...

Great information Roger, thanks.
You didn't mention GAF...
how do you compare to GULF & MES?
I think Brazil is best bet..
or investment that is....
Your thoughts:-)

Roger Nusbaum said...

long term, i like brazil, have had exposure for several years.

Anonymous said...

Roger, you've got to visit A Dash of Insight today. The advice is good and the picture is great. oldprof.typepad.com

Roger Nusbaum said...

thanks for the link, great pic, i'll read it later.

Teddy ballgame; eh he was ok, lol.

AAlan said...

The fishing industry in Iceland, or anywhere else, may not be thriving for a very long time. The world's fish populations have been reduced by overfishing; if the fishing industry closed down (which won't happen) they would take decades to recover. Meanwhile, the cost of fuel etc. is not going down.

Roger Nusbaum said...

that doesn't mean higher prices for fish to offset?

might not fuel prices be relatively low for a while now?

not buying fish stocks but this is a new segement for me and makes for interesting learning.

Anonymous said...

Iceland fish market and Captain Highliner.

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081015.whighliner1015/BNStory/Business/home

dnf

Born2Code said...

The Gulf states had the benefit of our moronic congress. The same Congress that invented "Freedom Fries" when France refused to sign on the UN resolution to allow us to invade Iraq, so we invaded illegally any how.
That same Congress if you recall refused to let the Gulf States invest in the ports deal and many other deals. As a result they took most of their investment money elsewhere and escaped the toxic MBS waste.

That's not to say that their markets in their local currencies are not down in sympathy with ours, but i bet you they outperform considerably going forward.

Anonymous said...

screw iceland, my retirement portfolio is shrinking fast.

Bill B said...

700+ points isn't nearly as scary the second time.

Anonymous said...

Bill B--It's funny, but I felt the same way today. Maybe I'm just used to the volatility now or because everybody says we'll have to retest the lows, so I expected as much. At least we know the market can go up a lot, too.

Anonymous said...

In case I forget remind me to look at a 5+ year chart and say this is not a time to sell.

Sometimes my emotions screw with my investment plans and want to buy high and sell low. Logically I over rule my emotions and try to buy low and sell high. Sometimes it just is not that easy in practice.

Roger Nusbaum said...

obviously the second (or is it third?) 9% drop has less shock value.

Bill B said...

anon,
It's a constant struggle. I did something stupid and against my plan earlier this week. I put on a hedge due to emotion. I realized it after the fact and closed it at a loss the next morning (even though it would be clearly in the money now .. hehe).

I still would've felt better if I had stuck to my plan 100%. Keep the emotion out, invest/trade like a machine. Taken me years to get it down and I still apparently have a little more work to do.

Anonymous said...

For a more mechanical approach to investing, you might want to check out James Stewart's Common Sense column at smartmoney.com. He buys on 10% dips and sells at 25% gains from there. He bases his thresholds on historical bull and bear market swings, if I recall correctly. His last couple of columns have addressed this directly.

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:36 P.M.,

What if you buy on the ten percent dip and it keeps going down.

Or, once it goes up 25 percent, do you wait until the next 10 percent dip which can be a coupl of years later?

Anonymous said...

Roger,

You use the word "diversification"--Was there a place to get diversification in this down market!? Almost everything went down, except short funds.

Roger Nusbaum said...

i beleive in maintaining at least a little in every sector, i've written about how i used double short, gold and cash.

in a bear market we do need to expect most things to go down and as correlations go up.

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