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Monday, October 13, 2008

What Are We Learning?

One thing I have touched on before but maybe not written extensively on is the idea of continuing to learn about navigating markets. However well or poorly you have done in this bear market, there is a learning opportunity to try to improve during the next bear.

One thing that may have happened on this go around, and unfortunately this feels like a carry over from the last bear market, is too much exposure to equities.

That may seem like a contradiction from past posts but I don't think so. In terms of numbers when thought of over long periods of time (three different decade long round trips to nowhere in the last 100 years shows long means more than ten years) 100% equities offers the best growth potential. If you have a reliable defensive strategy then all the better.

Unfortunately 100% equities does not offer the best potential for a good night's sleep.

This is why asset allocation exists. It is a good bet that people have recently learned they have too much of their money in risky assets. Too much defined by the magnitude of the emotional response. Realizing you have too much in risky assets (this includes many segments of the fixed income market too) after a 40% drop is a bad place to be.

Beginning to take defensive action after a 40% drop is a bad idea unless you truly believe it is all going to zero, and while I hope no one thinks the bottom is zero, someone in those shoes needs to figure out a recover strategy if they do sell out now (again I hope no one does this).

The idea behind proper asset allocation is that whatever decline occurs it does not trigger a panic point that causes you to deviate too far from the plan you spelled out before anything bad happened.

Over the years of blogging many comments/questions have been left about various high yielding things (equity, bond or in between). My answer is almost always the same. A 10% yield in a 2% world carries some risk, you (the person asking the question) either understand the risk or you don't.

There is nothing wrong with owning a high yielding something or other that has cratered since you bought it. The problem occurs when you own too much of that thing or too much of that thing along with other similar things. And hopefully anyone in this situation has a better understanding of the rationalization that the high yield will make up for the decline. A 10% yield doesn't do much for a 40% decline especially if there is then a dividend cut.

This sentiment obviously ties in with my theme of moderation when selecting what to own in a portfolio. The lessons about too much exposure to something that we learned from 2000 should not be forgotten but there are risk junkies who cannot help themselves.

One thing we have learned is that we cannot foster dogs any longer. I mentioned in this week's video that we were fostering a little dog that we were calling Pee Wee, who I said looks a lot like our dog Trixie. Yeah, well we're keeping him. He fit it perfectly from day one and as Joellyn said, no one was ever going to be good enough to adopt him.

That is him up above getting some sun with Roscoe. The shadows of a chain and bucket to the right of the picture is our foray into green/self-sufficiency. We are in the process of setting up water catchment off of our roof. An inch of rain on a 1000 square foot (metal) roof will generate 1000 gallons.

23 comments:

Bill B said...

Excellent. What I'd like to know to all of those that sold last week ... what is your criteria for getting back in?

Roger Nusbaum said...

re-enty is the of course the biggest dilemma after panicking out.

JEC49 said...

Unfortunately, the old adage of subtracting your age from 100 to determine the % of stocks in one's portfolio seems to have gone awry this time. Is it still a barometer?

Roger Nusbaum said...

that one has never made sense to me

Anonymous said...

roger,
my wife and i have talked about capturing rain off the roof as well. how do you plan to use the water and if you plan on consuming or washing dishes, how do you plan to purify it??
as for selling last week--i started with low equities late last year as the s&p dropped below the 200 dma but have continued to trim stuff all the way down--largely because losses become tax assets. most of what i still own consists of blue chips with lower betas--largely warren buffet stuff--berkshire itself, jnj, kft, pep (instead of ko--i think baked lays are a great product), etc. along with top-of-the-line tech cos like aapl and linear tech that i bought early last week--these are the best tech companies and the values became too compelling. tomk comment, barry's 10 reasons that the end of the crash was nigh, and the g-7 meeting all led me to buy a small position (despite the stomach lodged in my throat) in a double long on the nasdaq on friday--i plan to up that a bit today. my equity weighting is about half what it was at the beginning of the year (a combo of the mkt going down and reducing holdings). with the coordinated efforts of the us europe etc, the world economy should survive albeit probably with a bad limp for a couple of years. further, we probably will retest the friday low and could even drop below it within a couple of months so i am not going to get too aggressive yet. for me though, i want to have some beta on this near term uplift so more double longs and it is time to start to shopping for good long term values and add more of those as permanent holdings. i intend to add to the equity weight but still it lower than normal until the s&p penetrates the 200 dma. the 200 dma will continue to decline but given that this will be a long recession we probably won't see the market cross the 200 dma for a considerable time from and probably at notably lower levels than the current. my guess--sometime mid to late next year.
--gjg49

Anonymous said...

Great post, Roger. I learned that a diversified portfolio is no help in a bear market and especially in a panic. Cash is the only safe option and even that may not be a sure thing today.

I studied the endowment models, lazy portfolios, DFA returns, and constructed a portfolio that I thought was well-balanced. Your admonitions kept me from over-allocating to any one position.

Now El-Erian is on CNBC and I'm eating lunch by myself.

Roger Nusbaum said...

not an expert on catchment but we have it in Hilo, have a couple of 'in-line' filters and we add some bleach (very little) right into the tank.

it just boils down to getting the correct advice.

Roger Nusbaum said...

thanks anon, don't follow the El Erian comment but there was a Seeking Alpha post showing how his etf portfolio got crushed. shows defense matter more than the other stuff.

Anonymous said...

anon 6:23 here. Sorry for being obtuse. What I meant was that I'm down big by trying to learn from experts like El-Erian. He and others got crushed even worse than I did (thank you), but he still guest hosts on CNBC and people hang on his every comment. Meanwhile, my wife is barely speaking. She ain't buyin' down less.

Roger Nusbaum said...

well we don't know (least I don't) how Pimco has done which fromwhere El Erian sits is the important thing not some oh by the way ETF portfolio put into a book.

not buying down less, that is more difficult to 'buy' as a reaction as opposed to a game plan.

Anonymous said...

roger,
you said:
"it just boils down to getting the correct advice."
can not resist asking if the pun is intended or not...

Roger Nusbaum said...

no pun. in hilo it is a new house, most houses have catchment there and we have obviously taken a look at how it works.

there is some guy here in prescott who consults this sort of thing, not sure we want to pay $100 an hour but anywhere you live there ar probably people to help.

Anonymous said...

Given this bear market is worse then "normal", does it make sense to change your "normal" trigger to increase your equity percentage. In the past you have said the 200dma would be your trigger. Given the 200 dma is 40% up from here, it would seem waiting for a return could take quite awhile and miss a lot of a rebound. It seems if the facts change (i.e. the bear is not normal) you have to consider changing your plans. Hence would 20% below the 200dma ,or a trailing ttm pe below 10, or something else be a possible trigger to start re-equitizing?

Roger Nusbaum said...

that is the correct question. it ties in w/learning.

i sold the last of the double short last week which obviously results in more long exposure.

Anonymous said...

roger,
me thinks you missed the pun altogether (at least based on your response).
"boils" in a conversation regarding purification...
levity (unintended or not) is almost always helpful to relieve the stress.
thanks for your insights

Roger Nusbaum said...

i think i did...

"he's not the brightest, folks"

Harry Doyle from Major League

(the announcer played by Bob Uecker)

AAlan said...

"One thing we have learned is that we cannot foster dogs any longer."
That's what I learned about my portfolio, too. Now, if I could only recognize the dogs before they bite me!

Roger Nusbaum said...

brilliant comment. that is very funny.

Roger Nusbaum said...

SPX 800 was an excellent call, it got to 839, for cripes sake, very solid, IMO.

itrade4real said...

Congrats on adding Pee Wee to the family. Quite commendable, and good for the pup, as well as the rest of the family!

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Today's rally does not bode well for a true base.

Panic in and panic out is not a place for investment.

I'd be interested in your thoughts about the risk of a head fake here. The tone of the comments support the (unsupportable, in mho) idea that too many people think "whew, glad that's over... let's get back to business" (particularly the commenter who is looking for an "exception" to justify re-equitizing prior to the 200 DMA).

Just as the fundamentals had not changed to justify 8 consecutive days of losses, neither did they change to justify 900 pts up in a day.

There are bloggers who DID anticipate this (Mish being the most obvious) who suggest that this has the potential to be the "strange calm" (or enticing rally) that precedes a tsunami - the water pulls out, and the seabed is revealed. Like delighted children folks run out to collect all the seashells "there for the picking".

Markets may go up 80% of the time (or whatever that stat is that you occasionally recite), but that historical fact should not be used to erase the brute fact of undercapitalized banks, over-inflated asset prices (largely due to an incredibly loose monetary policy pursued in what many, as of last Friday and throughout the weekend, to "buy" our way out of the LAST bubble.

Check your mail, folks. I'll bet you're still receiving those invitations to "transfer your high balance credit card debt here" and for "low introductory rates for new credit card holders".

The culture of "buy now, pay later" is not yet dead, and to the extent today's rally erases too much of last week's pain from our memories, the payment to the piper will only be that much larger...

R in NY

Anonymous said...

800 on S+P was just a look at a chart and finding a level that had enough activity to offer some support. Actually, it only made me feel a tiny bit more comfortable that we saw the worst and might stop there. But I didn't sell or buy anything, just stuck with what I had. I don't have any crappy stocks or funds and would buy them today.

Ron

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