A couple of times in the last few months I have been in social situations and they go nice to meet you, what do you do, ooh how's that going? I typically word my answer about as follows.
Occasionally the stock market goes down a lot. Then a few years goes by and it happens again. You'll be OK if you can remember that.
I love the simplicity of that sentiment. Invariably no one is shocked by that idea and anyone at least participating in a 401k knows this. In my opinion it is crucial to prepare mentally well ahead of time for large declines. If you are a devout indexer or buy and hold it is probably even more important because your equity portfolio will feel the full brunt of the decline or very close to it. If you employ some sort of timing device for defensive action you need to be disciplined enough to heed your timing device when the time comes.
No matter which of the two camps you fall into it will be much easier to do what you need to do (either gritting your teeth or taking action) if you are not emotionally caught off guard. Just because you might believe no one can see bear markets coming does not mean they don't come.
This site gets both individual and professional readership. For professionals I would say the key is communicating early and often with clients one way or another about what to expect when a bear market comes. If you are a passive indexer you will likely drop 50% if the market drops 50%. Clients need to understand that long before it happens. Presumably you explained what you do and why when they hired you. You obviously believe in the way you do things but clients need to understand all the particulars head of time.
This is one of the reasons why I maintain this blog and wrote so much about bear markets and my strategy back in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. A bear market will come at some point, this is what we will do (or not do) and this is why, a bear market will come at some point, this is what we will do (or not do) and this is why, a bear market will come at some point, this is what we will do (or not do) and this is why--if your clients read that enough times from you then the odds of them being caught off guard will be much less. Not caught off guard equates to less panic which is better for clients and easier for you.
For individuals, in addition to the above about preparing, I would repeat that big declines in the market are not your biggest problem. The market dropped 50% a few years ago and made a new high within the same decade. The market has now cut in half again and will make a new high again. The time needed to make that new high is the variable. The biggest impediment for individuals (but of course this applies to many professionals too) is human behaviors. Even the smartest investor will buy high and sell low occasionally or otherwise have some sort of emotional response to a market event but repeated behavior of this sort will do you in.
There have been several times that I have referred to various studies from mutual fund companies that go along the lines of the S&P 500 having 9-10% average annual returns, actively managed mutual funds having 7-8% average annual return and the individuals holding those actively managed funds averaging something like 3-4%. Human behavior in action.
I find the behavioral/psychological aspect of markets fascinating.





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You know, your last paragraph brings up an interesting idea.
Mutual fund companies, financial advisors, etc. almost always quote numbers going back to the 30s. I'm sure there are tons of reasons, but one of them is probably 'cause if they went back farther than that things might look like they suck.
I wonder if that will change now? "The S&P 500 has averaged 8% for the last 75 years!" will change to "We haven't sucked for the last 2 years!" or something like that.
I find aspects of behavioral finance fascinating, at least what little I have read on the internet. You know the fight or flight response, confusing luck with skill etc. I know Jason Zweig has written a book on the topic. Has anyone read it? Can anyone suggest a title suitable for the lay person, that is not someone familiar with psychobabble?
Good topics the last couple of days Roger.
My observation is that the overwhelming majority of Americans are underwhelmingly educated in basic financial knowledge. I like to think that my investment choices since 1972 have performed well. Living beneath our means certainly has been a large factor in accumulating the nest egg. Staying married, another.
If people just don't have to own the latest gadgets, marry well, educate themselves into a good profession and utilize a seasoned financial planner (not a salesperson/churner), they will accumulate funds for a satisfying retirement (and probably continue working at a job they enjoy just out of habit).
Obvious observation, but how many folks actually execute these simple acts?
T
not enough people, T.
I cringe everytime a friend on FB says something about how long the week is, the implication being that they are wishing away the week to get to the weekend.
To the point above, another important factor is whether/how many children one has. That's obviously a deeply moral and personal decision, but the reality is that there are huge financial implications. I don't recall the latest numbers, but it costs well into six figures to raise a child to adulthood these days.
I cringe everytime a friend on FB says something about how long the week is, the implication being that they are wishing away the week to get to the weekend.You hit a nerve here. :)
Well Roger, most of us can't do exactly what we want and enjoy to pay the bills and put food on the table.
Take myself. I love the stock market and investing, and thoroughly enjoy reading, thinking, and strategizing about it.
I've also got a small RIA business with just a few clients, and I'd note I've done fairly well overall since inception in 2004, largely because I got defensive at the right time and had lots of cash and Hussman, and enough good stock picks and tactical asset allocation decisions.
That said, I don't have enough clients to make a living off it, so I had to go out and get a full-time job to "pay the bills" and right now I'm doing what needs to be done to accumulate money while still hoping to "build the business" long-term.
I live for the weekends, as the week is sheer hell between the lack of sleep of essentially working two jobs, and not being able to make a full living off the thing I truly love.
What's the quote? Most men lead lives of quiet desperation. But hopefully not forever.
My comment was about state of mind that based on your description does not apply to you. You have something you love (RIA) and you are working hard (the other job) to make it happen.
In 2003 I had to take work here and there doing things like clearing trees and various types of construction around here to fill the gaps. There is nothing wrong with hard work in pursuit of something but the type of ambition you have is not common.
I love finance and the neat things academics produce, whether they work in the real world or not.... A guy I read whenever he publishes something is Andrew Lo of MIT. Google him and you will get his homepage at MIT. You can download his paper for free Reconciling Efficient Markets with Behavioral Finance: The Adaptive Markets Hypothesis - it's actually written in pretty plain language discussing investor behavior.....
Roger,
Read your column on greenfaucet today about social security projections. As you mention today here about living below your means, which the vast majority of Americans clearly are not, couple that with the very real possibility that SS will go broke and I think we have a hell of a mess coming up. Makes me feel even stronger that U.S. is not the place to invest long term.
I'm usually more upbeat on a Friday. :>
it is like not planning for a bear market. waking up one day and saying i'm down 50% now what do I do is the same to me as waking up one day and saying social security is gone now what do I do
But the real news is - random's celtics 3 Bulls 3 - series tied.
Roger,
An advisor recently advocated the following for a friend. Do you have any thoughts/comments on this static passive portfolio?
30% Equity Target- 50% US Small Value, 35% Int'l Small Value and 15% Emerging Market Value
70% Bonds- 50% in intermediate muni's (about 5 yr. duration) and 50% in TIPS
Anon 8:16
I am somewhat familiar with the small and value (DFA) based portfolios. For my clients I strongly tilt more to size and value and lower equity allocation. This will produce lower potential dispersion of returns without lowering expected returns.
an asset allocation can't really be good or bad only appropriate or inappropriate based on the person's time horizon and various tolerances.
Anon 8:16,
Your proposed portfolio looks very similar to that of Larry Swedroe's. I think his reasoning is that he can achieve the expected return of a traditional 60/40 portfolio without the downside if things go bad, as we have just seen. Also, he says that you need to be able to withstand tracking error, performance deviation from standard indexes.
Check this link out where this topic is currently being discussed
http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36961&mrr=1241227882
All mesaures of correlation in stocks is pure charlatanism.
All this "portfolio theory" you learn in school is complete bunk.
The formula that killed wall street and many people's 401Ks.
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all
Anon 9:34pm - well if you have a better theory I'm sure we'd all like to hear it!
Otherwise please refrain from adding argumentative comments and let the grown ups speak.
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