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Wednesday, October 07, 2009

Wednesday Roundup

A few things from yesterday worth mentioning this morning.

Jeremy Siegel had a commentary run in the FT re-making a case for equities for the long run. I don't disagree in the biggest picture sense but I am not as sanguine on the fate of domestic stocks versus foreign. The dynamic of many other countries gaining on the US as the US tries to hold on simply makes those other countries more compelling.

He correctly, IMO, goes after Robert Arnott's comments from the spring about bonds outperformance noting that for that brief moment when stocks were at their low bonds did out perform but that cherry picking a point in time like that did not make a lot of sense. I similarly picked on the Arnott article when it first ran.

I think Siegel misses on a couple of points however. He notes that the S&P 500 is now trading at 14 times 2010 earnings estimates which is cheap compared to the 18-20 time he cites for other periods of low inflation and low interest rates without specifics of when that was or attribution.

Regardless of whether US equities are the best performers over the next ten years or the worst an argument based on earnings estimates for 2010 and maybe 2011 is not exactly firm ground. The potential volatility in earnings and estimates in the next year or two make valuing the stock market, for people inclined to focus on that, particularly unreliable. Given the freakish speed with which estimates were cut early in the bear market combined with the potential shoes to drop that we know about makes for a weak argument. That is not to say that stock can't go up a lot making the bulls correct but PEs can he high and stocks go up anyway.

He also makes the point that "every dollar of US international indebtedness is matched by a dollar of assets abroad. S&P 500 companies now obtain almost 50 per cent of their revenue outside the US and that share will most certainly rise as growth in the emerging nations continues to outpace that of the developed world."

Frankly I think this argument ignores too many macro factors. He may be drawing the correct conclusion for all I know but in order for this point to be convincing now I think he needs to demonstrate that he understands the really big picture and do some refuting. I'm not saying he doesn't understand the macro, I'm saying he doesn't articulate it in this article.

The next issue is that things are still not looking good in Iceland. The citizens seem to not want to join the EU eventually adopting the euro. They feel they will lose control of their fishing industry which was one of the building blocks of their success. I've written several times that I think there is a way to harness their geothermal for more manufacturing similar to what Alcan has been doing for years there and also for data farms. There are obstacles to both but with a little ingenuity I think they could figure it out.

One road to health would be to adopt the euro the eliminating the risk for foreign companies of doing business in ISK but losing control of the fishing industry clearly works against their interests. A horrible dilemma.

Lastly in case you did not see the article from the Independent that caused all the hub bub yesterday about the dollar here it is. It seemed to read strangely to me. Decide for yourself.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Siegel should do a second book on international stocks for the long run.

Anonymous said...

I have roughly 70% in foreign equities. Next market cycle I will likely increase my foreign holdings.

Anonymous said...

Domestic vs. foreign equities in some ways is a false dichotomy. A good company will prosper here, there, anywhere. JNJ, MMM, PG, KO, etc. -- these aren't/won't prosper because they're American-based?

On the other hand, the value of foreign equities has been clear for quite some time. For example, our host does a service in urging us to consider elements such as ETFs that have a specific geographic focus.

Good investments are where you find them. Cast a broad net.

As for the Independent story about the America dollar and so forth. Well, for starters, there was not a single direct attribution. And only one direct quote. That's as thinly sourced as it gets. It is impossible to ascertain the validity of the content. Time will tell.

Bill M

Mt said...

The odd thing about foreign stocks is that there's almost no healthcare or consumer staples.

Typically a pitch for foreign exposure is wrapped in a story about Chinese improving standard of living and buying more things, etc. Yet when you check that story with the largest foreign stocks (energy and banks) it does not totally follow.

Large-caps are global businesses. If you believe in the declining dollar, foreign holdings make sense. Yet JNJ, PEP, and PG also benefit from a falling dollar, the rising of poor Chinese to middle class consumers blah blah, and have a proven track record and US accounting standards and laws.

I'm not forgetting the virtues of buying the US international large cap companies at low multiples. It is a part of the story often left out.

Anonymous said...

cherry picking stocks is one thing, but show me a fund that beets VWO, EWZ, or EPP from the march lows?

The easy diversification and dollar play on top provides good returns. Problem is I would not want to own them in a bear market so I need to eventually sell or shift to a domestic fund. But not now.

Anonymous said...

What would happen if a country, let's use Saudi Arabia as an example, decided to lower corporate taxes to almost zero. Wouldn't most corporation want to incorporate in that country

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