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Wednesday, December 23, 2009

Wednesday Roundup

First up is a quote from Stephen Roach who said "Investment in fixed assets such as factories and the rail network accounted for more than 95 percent of China’s 7.7 percent growth in the first three quarters of 2009 and made up 45 percent of gross domestic product, which is higher than any major economy in history."

This supports the idea that I have subscribed to about where in China to invest which is in the build up of the country and certain segments of the consumer sectors. The sectors to avoid, IMO, are financials and the exporters.

Next up is an interesting thread I think I've observed on the Seeking Alpha version of my last few posts. What I think I have observed is a sort of over-reliance on the extent to which things are linear. A few days ago I mentioned that I think the SPX and EAFE will be down a little in 2010 but that the emerging markets, collectively, will be up a little. One reader laid out a well reasoned argument about emerging markets needing developed markets to do well; a sort of A causes B which causes C.

Recently Bespoke posted a table with decade-to-date returns for various global markets. The US was down about 25%, similar to the UK, a little better than France and Switzerland and a little worse than Germany and Sweden. Some countries on there had great nominal returns and others had great relative returns. Norway was up 120%, Chile up 194%, Brazil up 301% as some examples. I don't know if the reader would have made the same A causes B which causes C argument ten years ago or not but the dispersion from country to country has been huge and that is likely to happen again.

To the point of avoiding the right the things, according to the iShares website the decade to date number for the MSCI EAFE Index is +2.55% which I find shocking given the results from the UK, France and Germany (mentioned above) and Japan which was down 49% but assuming it is correct the examples of Norway, Chile and Brazil are from from obscure. China was up 136% and India was up 243%, neither of those are obscure either. Avoiding the right countries was very important. Simply put I do not believe the endeavor of investing is always and everywhere linear.

Another reader, perhaps he was heckling me, congratulated me for market beating stock picking in the article about the ETF portfolio from Hedgeables that allocated 27% to a total stock market fund. I had noted that depending on the account size 27% into equities could be enough for a fully developed portfolio. This reader said that VTI holders could swap into individual stocks but the track record for active managers is not good. The line does not have to go from VTI to individual stocks. There are plenty of country funds and sector funds that allow for constructing a portfolio targeting very narrow segments.

The other point here again is that avoiding certain things can be more important than what is included. The two most important domestic sector trades for this decade obviously would have been avoiding tech nine years ago and avoiding financials three years ago (both provided pretty good warnings of trouble even if they did not warn of the magnitude).

To repeat I do not believe the endeavor of investing is always and everywhere linear.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

‘Ridiculous, Unsustainable’

Without a surge in consumer spending and with export growth stalled, investment must rise even further to stoke growth, he said in a Dec. 18 Beijing speech.

“These are ridiculous, unsustainable numbers for any economy,” he said.

China may be hit with a slowdown next year as the impact of the investment-led expansion wears off and shipments to the U.S., the traditional external source of growth, fail to pick up, Roach said in an October report. He didn’t specify how much growth might slow.

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I think some of Roach's other comments were more meaningful

Paul said...

Roger - Great work and I wish you and yours Happy Holidays! It has been great re-connecting with you after many years. Keep up the excellent posts and analysis so I can continue to steal your better ideas for my clients!

Roger Nusbaum said...

Thanks anon, I pulled the quote from the Black Swan Daily Newsletter, I should have read the Bloomberg link they attributed it to, my bad.

Paul,

"Best idea" makes the case for a diversified portfolio. In a simplified example if a portfolio has 20 holdings in it one must be the best performer and one must be the worst with everything else in between.

In this case there would only be a 1 in 20 chance of the "best idea" being the best performer.

happy b-day Paul, looking good for 107

Anonymous said...

Hi Roger, you're probably condensing your responses because of the nature of blogging and the season, but I'd just like to clear up a point you made about the percentage of stocks in a portfolio - this depends on the individual's perception of risk management, as well as the size of their portfolio, does it not?

Just wondering how you could convince someone to be 100% in equities after recent history (including the recent, huge run-up).

And Season's Greetings to You and Yours, 'tis my second as a reader of your articles (and what a ride it has been)

Roger Nusbaum said...

A person's tolerance for volatility is ultimately going to determine how their portfolio is constructed.

However the numbers are what they are. Stocks provide growth bonds don't. Stocks are 30% from their highs and bonds are at their highs.

Those are facts not forward looking analysis. Were I to encounter someone with a very low tolerance for volatility I would want to make sure the understood the trade off and let them draw their own conclusion, not really try to convince them of something.

Stephen Drone said...

"Just wondering how you could convince someone to be 100% in equities after recent history"

Hey, if it's good enough for Rhoubini...! Heheh.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Roger, if you hadn't guessed the 'someone' needing convincing (not the best terminology I accede) is myself. After the last 24 months of panicky headlines I'm just a little hysteria-worn, and needed a little prompting to continue feeding equities into my pension, in the new year. In 25-30 years when I draw from it I'll most likely raise a glass to your good self.

Thanks again.

Stephen Drone said...

I don't normally read your stuff on Seeking Alpha, but the "hedge fund portfolio" got me thinking.

I used the following:
Total stock market ETF: 27% VTI
Total bond ETF: 23% BND/AGG
Pacific Region stock ETF: 10% VPL
European stock ETF: 10% EZU/VGK
Gold ETF: 8% GLD
Yen ETF: 8% FXY
US oil/gas pipelines ETF: 8% IGE
Malaysia ETF: 3% EWM
Peru ETF: 3% EPU

The Peru ETF is new this year so I has to basically use zero, and the yen ETF only has results for 2008 and 2009.

Results:
2008 = -18.7%
2009 YTD = 19.47%

Mark said...

The dispersion of returns across countries surely dispels the argument that markets have become tightly correlated.

Roger Nusbaum said...

Mark I think the complaint was that in 2008 correlations all went to one. A bit of hyperbole yes but they did seem to go up a lot. Over the whole decade correlations were not, IMO, a problem.

SD thanks for the number crunching

Stephen Drone said...

That's exactly the thing. I think a regular 60/40 portfolio did better than this.

Interesting idea, though.

Roger Nusbaum said...

if the 40 were in treasuries maybe so but diversified throughout the bond market I think not but maybe I have that wrong.

I would submit that the 40 being in treasuries could be a big problem for a lot of people in the next couple of years.

Anonymous said...

For comparison, Vanguard Balanced Index, 60/40 (Total US Stock & Bond), 12/22/09 YTD = 20.35%

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