Tuesday, June 14, 2011
Morningstar STILL Does Not Get It
The crew at ETFReplay.com was kind enough to send me a link to the press release from Morningstar about their new fund rating system that they say will now be forward looking. So it turns out after all these years of collecting various fees from investors, backward looking wasn't the way to go?
The new system will be called Morningstar Analyst RatingTM (I believe they have added the word analyst) that will be based on the following "Pillars"; People, Process, Parent, Performance, and Price. Further down in the (very lengthy) press release it says that people are the managers and their tenure, process is the investment process, parent is the parent company and the last two probably don't need explanation.
Oh-boy.
Where the context is actively managed funds there is no way to look forward. "We think the manager will make a good call on industrials and other cyclically sensitive stocks in the fourth quarter." It is not credible to me that had this process been in place before they would have told people to sell Bill Miller's fund or Bruce Berkowitz' fund.
Assessing investment process is potentially interesting. Plain language about top down/bottom up, growth/value, some sort of screening process or anything else like this, if it is not provided already, would help people better understand what they own. It is not clear how this can be universally forward looking. Maybe something like "their screening process fared poorly in 2004 and we think 2011 is a lot like 2004" could add value (totally made up example in every respect).
The forward looking nature of the other three is lost on me unless people use technical analysis on actively managed mutual funds.
As a source of data the site is quite useful. As best as I can tell, after being peculiarly slow to try to do anything with ETFs they still appear to not really understand how to use the product (I was on a panel with Scott Burns once and he knows the mechanics extremely well).
There is simply no way to know what an active manager will do in the future or what might happen in his life that could somehow affect his job. Think about it, what stock or fund will you buy six months from now? If you don't know that for yourself then I assure you Morningstar can't know it for some actively managed mutual fund, let alone a whole universe of them.
The boiler plate of every fund provides a warning about past performance but how likely are you to buy a serial underperformer? The fund's past performance will, at a minimum, be a major driver in the decision. I don't find that dynamic particularly appealing and so I am not a fan of the wrapper but plenty of people are and part of the equation is an unquantifiable faith in the manager.
The new system will be called Morningstar Analyst RatingTM (I believe they have added the word analyst) that will be based on the following "Pillars"; People, Process, Parent, Performance, and Price. Further down in the (very lengthy) press release it says that people are the managers and their tenure, process is the investment process, parent is the parent company and the last two probably don't need explanation.
Oh-boy.
Where the context is actively managed funds there is no way to look forward. "We think the manager will make a good call on industrials and other cyclically sensitive stocks in the fourth quarter." It is not credible to me that had this process been in place before they would have told people to sell Bill Miller's fund or Bruce Berkowitz' fund.
Assessing investment process is potentially interesting. Plain language about top down/bottom up, growth/value, some sort of screening process or anything else like this, if it is not provided already, would help people better understand what they own. It is not clear how this can be universally forward looking. Maybe something like "their screening process fared poorly in 2004 and we think 2011 is a lot like 2004" could add value (totally made up example in every respect).
The forward looking nature of the other three is lost on me unless people use technical analysis on actively managed mutual funds.
As a source of data the site is quite useful. As best as I can tell, after being peculiarly slow to try to do anything with ETFs they still appear to not really understand how to use the product (I was on a panel with Scott Burns once and he knows the mechanics extremely well).
There is simply no way to know what an active manager will do in the future or what might happen in his life that could somehow affect his job. Think about it, what stock or fund will you buy six months from now? If you don't know that for yourself then I assure you Morningstar can't know it for some actively managed mutual fund, let alone a whole universe of them.
The boiler plate of every fund provides a warning about past performance but how likely are you to buy a serial underperformer? The fund's past performance will, at a minimum, be a major driver in the decision. I don't find that dynamic particularly appealing and so I am not a fan of the wrapper but plenty of people are and part of the equation is an unquantifiable faith in the manager.
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"There is simply no way to know what an active manager will do in the future or what might happen in his life that could somehow affect his job."
Couldn't a similar argument be extended to all RIAs, portfolio managers etc. who utilize some sort of active strategy?
I believe your statement(s) make a compelling argument in favor of passive investing. If the smart folks at Morningstar can't get it, what's the average Joe to do?
Yes there is no way to do a forward looking analysis on an RIA either. The important thing would be buying into the strategy that the RIA you hire believes in.
In hiring an RIA you have believe in the strategy, believe the RIA will have discipline to stick to it and can execute it reasonably well. This combo should make for a good client/RIA fit.
The same applies to do it yourselfers IMO. If you manage your own you need a strategy you can live with (believe in), can stick to when times get tough and can be reasonably proficient with.
Part of my writing is to try to push people to take an introspective look at all of these issues.
I have usually viewed outfits such as Morningstar as nothing more than a well-marketed hand holding service.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
An astute finacial advisor is a much better wealth investor, so long as the advisor only invests in dividend growth stocks.
T
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"The same applies to do it yourselfers IMO. If you manage your own you need a strategy you can live with (believe in), can stick to when times get tough and can be reasonably proficient with."
Very true, well said.
Doesn't hurt to follow a blog that makes you think from time to time either, especially when it comes to dividends.
I don't use M* for their analysis but find 2 things at M* very useful:
- portfolio manager: I think it's one of the best ones out there. Handles dividends, splits, distributions and such.
- their forums: Quite unlike the other investing forums like yahoo which are mostly spam.
I was planning on becoming a DZ with my portfolio in 2012 or 2013.
A year or so ago you convinced me this would be wrong. Although I may still implement it with just the taxable portion of the portfolio.
SEG
nothing wrong with owning DG stocks in a portfolio or devoting a tranche (for people who prefer to view it that way) to DG, I simply think all in on any strategy is a bad idea.
The DG proxy for bonds was way out there. I was surprised how many well spoken folks bought into that idea.
Sam
This research piece from Vanguard might be of interest for taxable investors.
http://bit.ly/jDZpE4
It is an analysis of the total return approach versus an income approach. Vanguard says the total return approach is more likely to increase the longevity of a portfolio in addition to other benefits they cite in the piece.
It supports Roger's assertion that "all in" is not a good idea.
Sam, I think a lot of people talking bonds for dividend stocks don't think of it as way out there.
Thanks for the link WH
What the hell. If you can buy into DG stocks as a proxy for bonds, it's only a small step to have a four stock portfolio which is buy and hold. IF I just knew which four stocks to buy...........
Sam
one dude on SA knows the four and left many comments about why those four
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